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標題[情報] 微軟將 AMD 分支預測改進移植到 W11 23H2
時間2024-08-28 16:17:11
https://reurl.cc/QEXgg2 If you're patiently waiting for Windows 11's 24H2 update to see a performance bump for your Zen 3, Zen 4, or Zen 5 CPU, you no longer need to twiddle your thumbs. In a statement to Tom's Hardware, AMD said that the branch prediction optimizations allowing for those improvements have been backported to Windows 11 23H2. The update, KB5041587, can be found under Windows Update > Advanced options > Optional updates. "We expect the performance uplift to be very similar between 24H2 and 23H2 with KB5041587 installed," an AMD spokesperson said. Windows 11 24H2 is currently in Release Preview as part of Windows Insider. A handful of reviewers have found multiple games showing performance uplifts, though at least one has seen regressions in some titles as well. While the improved performance should go back to Zen 3, it's really AMD's new Ryzen 9000 series processors that need a bit of a shine. Some of the new chips, like the Ryzen 9 9950X, saw negative reviews when critics couldn't replicate AMD's performance uplift claims. AMD claimed that numerous factors led to this occurrence, from Intel's 13th and 14th Gen Core instability issues to using a Windows "admin" profile rather than a standard user account. "[The Ryzen 9 9950X] lags behind competing chips in gaming, and the generational gains are small enough in some productivity workloads that the previous-gen Ryzen 9 7950X is an attractive alternative," Tom's Hardware managing editor Paul Alcorn wrote in his review at launch. But if the branch prediction in Windows 11 24H2 — and now Windows 11 23H2 via this optional update — increases performance as dramatically as preview builds have shown, it could potentially breathe more life into AMD's latest processors when it comes to gaming and certain productivity workloads. We'll have to do some testing of our own to see the difference. AMD referred to this branch prediction as "AMD-specific," so we'll have to do some digging to see if there's an Intel version of this code or if Ryzen owners will have something to brag about with this update. 看起來是不需要特別裝測試版W11 直接安裝KB5041587更新 ZEN3-ZEN5直接無痛升級 B在站看到有留言說用5600玩BF2042 110提升到130張 i皇真是多事之秋 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(pttbestweb.org.tw), 來自: 27.52.161.47 (臺灣) ※ 文章網址: https://pttbestweb.org.tw/PC_Shopping/M.1724833033.A.695
→ lolpklol0975: windows 10呢 49.217.49.146 08/28 16:19
推 reaturn: 反觀220.143.104.129 08/28 16:20
→ qazws931: 再次証明買amd戰未來(? 61.230.201.143 08/28 16:20
推 m710387: 連ZEN3也有!!!! 211.23.21.49 08/28 16:25
推 estupid: zen3也有 佛 114.35.233.159 08/28 16:27
推 peatle: AMD傳統雞血 61.221.177.187 08/28 16:27
推 k2541398: 那都提升的話zen5還是沒贏zen4多少啊 49.216.194.100 08/28 16:28
推 perlone: Amd戰未來 yes! 101.137.90.136 08/28 16:33
推 b325019: 回家馬上裝 223.137.236.44 08/28 16:33
推 KGSox: Intel摳連 36.232.180.108 08/28 16:34
推 e124374155: 希望能做個windows10的雞血補丁 27.52.193.49 08/28 16:35
推 Koogeal: AM4:我超勇的.JPG 59.115.45.100 08/28 16:36
推 nextpage: 也該開放給WIN10用戶吧? 114.38.201.76 08/28 16:37
推 lc85301: 戰未來 YES 111.249.170.35 08/28 16:40
推 nt880245: 更新前是不是要先跑分一下 220.130.182.55 08/28 16:40
→ AIRURU: W10只到22H2 感覺除了安全性更新之外沒啥 27.52.161.47 08/28 16:40
→ AIRURU: 人權 27.52.161.47 08/28 16:40
推 kart07575: 微軟又多了一個誘因拐用戶放棄win10了 223.138.146.20 08/28 16:41
推 sporocyst: win10只剩安全性更新，應該是不會上了 61.220.78.2 08/28 16:42
推 verdandy: 喔喔，就是今天的這一個更新 49.217.127.103 08/28 16:47
推 shinloveu: Zen3也有太能打了吧 112.78.67.45 08/28 16:59
→ AIRURU: http://i.imgur.com/XrGduLK.jpg 27.52.161.47 08/28 17:00
→ AIRURU: 參考這張圖來看，按照之前的平均+10%，更 27.52.161.47 08/28 17:00
→ AIRURU: 新後可能真的R5默秒全了 27.52.161.47 08/28 17:00
推 keyman2: 該拋棄win10惹 36.224.103.233 08/28 17:03
推 wolver: !!這個提升很可以誒 I皇又躺一刀了223.141.176.112 08/28 17:06
推 coox: 微軟出手幫AMD了?! 163.26.206.202 08/28 17:09
推 aaron68032: 哇這是會讓我升win11的一大誘因 111.82.213.73 08/28 17:11
→ abc21086999: cherry pick220.136.198.129 08/28 17:17
推 s0614xxs: Win11真的沒那麼糟 36.231.6.217 08/28 17:19
推 fatedate: 這幾天有看到不少人測試 zen3以上升級有 118.232.72.45 08/28 17:23
→ fatedate: 感 118.232.72.45 08/28 17:23
推 RaiGend0519: 5600X 再戰十年！ 36.232.149.140 08/28 17:26
→ fatedate: 超爽的 5800x直接升級快變成原本x3d 118.232.72.45 08/28 17:27
推 JhouHank: 這樣也行喔AMD 真有你的XDDD 114.46.162.201 08/28 17:32
推 ferr0204: https://youtu.be/abXKDUESFKs 114.24.166.79 08/28 17:33
→ ferr0204: HU之前才做過IA兩家win10 vs win11下遊 114.24.166.79 08/28 17:33
→ ferr0204: 戲比較，明顯都是10勝，現在看起來像是 114.24.166.79 08/28 17:33
→ ferr0204: 11原本就在搞現在才修回來 114.24.166.79 08/28 17:33
推 a58524andy: 蘇胡 42.70.242.92 08/28 17:33
推 abc0922001: 我也在想到底是W11先爛再改回來還是怎 203.66.179.162 08/28 17:36
推 kuc6811: 哇咧 現在用AMD也沒有留在Win10的理由了 36.226.5.186 08/28 17:38
推 RaiGend0519: 怎ＭＯ辦，真der要升級Win11惹嗎？ 36.232.149.140 08/28 17:38
→ kuc6811: 還以為24H2有什麼大架構的改動 結果一個 36.226.5.186 08/28 17:39
→ kuc6811: 更新就搞定了... 36.226.5.186 08/28 17:39
推 ABA0525: 110升級到130, 有夠扯 223.139.14.243 08/28 17:42
→ ABA0525: 這是故意讓大家升級win11吧 223.139.14.243 08/28 17:42
推 futakinohi: 57X3D也有感嗎？ 難道真的要去升W11. 114.136.208.64 08/28 17:44
推 amos30627: 微軟：wintel蛋雕111.185.173.135 08/28 17:46
推 knml: 襪靠，戰未來真猛，Zen 2不知道有沒有效果 112.78.78.115 08/28 17:49
推 pc010710: 我也要生51了 101.10.0.60 08/28 17:49
推 SHR4587: 這樣筆記本是不是也有提升啊 27.247.103.132 08/28 17:53
推 guogu: 戰未來 1.164.229.119 08/28 17:56
→ lovelylion2: https://youtu.be/kF8xgjK_yQk 111.71.66.225 08/28 17:56
→ lovelylion2: 號稱是57X3D的比較影片 111.71.66.225 08/28 17:56
推 a186186: 7500F 會有嗎 59.120.153.7 08/28 17:59
→ smallreader: zen3也有份喔 真香 223.138.77.20 08/28 17:59
推 fatedate: 已更新 來測看看 118.232.72.45 08/28 18:01
推 fatedate: 目前看只有win11有 win10 沒辦法 118.232.72.45 08/28 18:08
推 tv50046: 可以順便測一下，在w10的狀態下嗎？ 1.200.12.13 08/28 18:12
→ tv50046: w10是否也可以跑出w11修正後的成績 1.200.12.13 08/28 18:12
推 futakinohi: A或成最大贏家 220.137.210.95 08/28 18:20
推 ltytw: 在當年這叫做雞血補丁 這詞不知道誰發明 111.246.196.94 08/28 18:22
→ ltytw: 的 111.246.196.94 08/28 18:22
推 SHR4587: 還有人叫印度神油 136.23.35.34 08/28 18:38
推 ISAF: 5950X！ 223.139.138.57 08/28 18:43
推 MK47: 5900x再戰三年 36.235.222.4 08/28 18:48
推 lin820504: 可惜的是win11是在各種遊戲出各種問題 61.227.109.188 08/28 18:51
→ lin820504: 還真不是效能就能說服我.. 61.227.109.188 08/28 18:51
推 paul40807: 戰未來不是說說而已 27.51.57.173 08/28 18:55
推 higali: amd特有的戰未來223.143.229.226 08/28 18:55
推 leon19790602: Zen3都有，windows 11出大招惹 124.218.39.3 08/28 18:56
→ AIRURU: http://i.imgur.com/QEdUsht.jpg 27.52.161.47 08/28 18:57
→ AIRURU: 只看fps的話W10明顯打不贏補丁後的W11 27.52.161.47 08/28 18:57
→ pokemon1318: 有5900x win10 vs win11的測試嗎 223.137.231.18 08/28 18:57
→ spfy: Win10每個半年更新都要當成不同的大版本 類 202.173.43.208 08/28 18:59
→ spfy: 類似以前的SPn 這個版本是會被用來判定維護 202.173.43.208 08/28 19:00
推 guezt: 連zen3也有不就表示之前都是微軟在卡效能 110.28.50.77 08/28 19:00
→ spfy: 期限的 所以對用戶來說可能只是Win10其中一 202.173.43.208 08/28 19:00
→ spfy: 個更新 但對微軟來說是XPsp1 sp2這種程度 202.173.43.208 08/28 19:01
→ spfy: 所以沒有特殊原因 Win10直接升級到最新版在 202.173.43.208 08/28 19:02
→ spfy: 維護支援上會比較有保障... 202.173.43.208 08/28 19:03
推 shinjikawuru: 5950X 再戰10年! 125.229.205.11 08/28 19:05
推 coolmayday: AMD真的YES了 42.73.33.207 08/28 19:05
→ spfy: 但這個也差太多了... 202.173.43.208 08/28 19:06
→ falcon: 說過好幾次了，win11跟10從來不是那個好哪 118.231.152.9 08/28 19:10
→ falcon: 個爛的問題，而是官方的維護策略。真要說 118.231.152.9 08/28 19:10
→ falcon: 好壞只能是都很爛 118.231.152.9 08/28 19:10
→ Arashi0731: 坐等大神放到win10114.136.146.169 08/28 19:11
→ falcon: ms把舊系統user當次等又不是一天兩天的事 118.231.152.9 08/28 19:12
推 aegis43210: 就微軟開始認真幫蘇嬤最佳化了，winte 106.104.72.208 08/28 19:12
→ aegis43210: l時代的結束 106.104.72.208 08/28 19:12
→ falcon: 無限的等待不如學怎麼清win11內建的垃圾 118.231.152.9 08/28 19:14
推 nt880245: 看來AM4可以安穩過渡到AM6了 39.9.39.164 08/28 19:15
→ falcon: 本來就沒什麼wintel ms只會寫垃圾code擺爛 118.231.152.9 08/28 19:15
推 yys310: win10是不是該更新了...140.114.236.163 08/28 19:30
推 NetsFan: AMD真的戰未來 免費性能提升 爽升級... 123.192.88.123 08/28 19:30
→ NetsFan: 前面才在想 Zen4,5都有提升 那Zen3呢? 123.192.88.123 08/28 19:30
→ NetsFan: 就在剛剛才看到Win11通知更新 就是 123.192.88.123 08/28 19:31
→ NetsFan: KB5041587 123.192.88.123 08/28 19:31
推 kakasi987: AMD YES!! 223.138.8.156 08/28 19:43
→ kakasi987: 沒想到CPU買了一年還送免費升級 223.138.8.156 08/28 19:44
推 Villkiss13: 最近撿了5000的5700X3D真的是太正確了133.175.249.205 08/28 20:19
→ Villkiss13: 可以撐到AM6了133.175.249.205 08/28 20:19
推 nt880245: http://i.imgur.com/lfKZAYN.jpg 39.9.75.229 08/28 20:38
→ nt880245: 跑分稍微提高了 39.9.75.229 08/28 20:38
推 yathgu: 這樣12代會被5000系壓著打欸 106.104.86.89 08/28 21:12
→ yathgu: 原本5600X跟12400差不多 106.104.86.89 08/28 21:12
推 SAKIEr: 收到補丁了，下載中 101.10.6.236 08/28 21:20
推 linecross: 真的戰未來 111.243.21.239 08/28 21:27
推 Litfal: 為啥分支預測會由OS來改進阿? 不太懂 59.102.246.80 08/28 21:32
推 Rust: 我也是AM4目標撐到AM6 49.216.32.251 08/28 21:51
噓 syearth: win10 沒有？ 114.45.41.40 08/28 21:51
→ kuninaka: 5700X3D也增加太多 好扯 61.227.98.167 08/28 21:59
推 knml: 5700x3d要大賣了 112.78.78.115 08/28 22:12
推 jhjhs33504: 微軟偷偷藏招吧? 1.162.115.212 08/28 22:18
→ AIRURU: http://i.imgur.com/41mmYEE.jpg 27.52.161.47 08/28 22:19
→ AIRURU: reddit看到的給111樓參考 27.52.161.47 08/28 22:19
→ AIRURU: 確實當年一堆分支預測的的洞不停爆出來， 27.52.161.47 08/28 22:19
→ AIRURU: 甚至好像還搞到伺服器的U要關掉HT的樣子， 27.52.161.47 08/28 22:19
→ AIRURU: 如果是洞太多導致後來改了實作流程也不意 27.52.161.47 08/28 22:19
→ AIRURU: 外 27.52.161.47 08/28 22:19
→ spfy: 喔 跟當初幽靈融斷那批漏洞的修補有關喔 118.231.152.41 08/28 22:22
→ spfy: 那好像可以理解 當初好像是說從CPU廠商那邊 118.231.152.41 08/28 22:22
→ spfy: 處理太慢也不好弄 OS面有先出更新處理的樣子 118.231.152.41 08/28 22:23
推 doomsday0728: 真的戰未來 反觀另一個戰過去 36.234.214.9 08/28 22:29
推 rock2257780: 晚上我的78X3D上了新補丁切換YT網頁 61.231.197.107 08/28 22:34
→ rock2257780: 有感變非常順暢 61.231.197.107 08/28 22:34
推 aegis43210: 不過要確定蘇嬤已經把漏洞補好，不然 106.104.72.208 08/28 22:42
→ aegis43210: 現在微軟雖然放寬，但分支預測漏洞仍 106.104.72.208 08/28 22:42
→ aegis43210: 在就有風險 106.104.72.208 08/28 22:42
→ amos30627: 漏洞出來的時候 zen4又還沒出 101.9.101.118 08/28 22:53
→ kuninaka: 遊戲能變快誰管你漏洞 61.227.98.167 08/28 23:22
→ kuninaka: 現在還要扯這個 61.227.98.167 08/28 23:22
→ kuninaka: I粉只能打這個是不是 61.227.98.167 08/28 23:23
→ kuninaka: 還要假設沒有補好XD 61.227.98.167 08/28 23:23
推 SYUAN0301: 太神啦 沒想到家中兩台ZEN3躺著又升級 61.227.26.133 08/29 00:46
→ SYUAN0301: 了 61.227.26.133 08/29 00:46
→ LastHuman: Amd躺著贏麻了 112.78.90.92 08/29 00:52
推 josephpu: AMD YES 122.100.74.160 08/29 02:01
推 g0428168: 真爽 沒想到5950x也能有份 125.229.126.53 08/29 02:22
→ ILike58: 因為微軟的os是由自己的編譯器編譯，所以 42.70.61.164 08/29 04:14
→ ILike58: 改進了分支預測的效能？所以其實是編譯器 42.70.61.164 08/29 04:14
→ ILike58: 改進了這部分所以連帶zen3、zen4都進步了 42.70.61.164 08/29 04:14
→ ILike58: 。 42.70.61.164 08/29 04:14
推 sincere77: AM4再戰十年！ 111.248.252.16 08/29 06:31
推 ltytw: i粉下一次會改打SMT漏洞嗎？ 114.33.46.227 08/29 07:59
→ ltytw: 畢竟î皇最近沒有很在乎HT 的感覺 114.33.46.227 08/29 07:59
推 lwei781: X3D 也一樣吃到啊 36.230.75.204 08/29 15:09
推 cmpunkwww: 希望58x3d升完變78x3d( 36.239.233.137 08/29 16:52
→ jjjj222: compiler和os開始向AMD轉向之後, intel 123.193.198.55 08/29 17:17
→ jjjj222: 又要更慘了 123.193.198.55 08/29 17:17
→ jjjj222: 以前向人家推intel我還會說compiler優勢 123.193.198.55 08/29 17:18
→ jjjj222: 太大能買i就買i, 想想也才不到5年 123.193.198.55 08/29 17:18
→ jjjj222: 不勝唏噓 123.193.198.55 08/29 17:19
推 avans: AMD真的是戰未來的cpu，竟然連zen3都受惠223.140.127.168 08/29 18:09
推 gameguy: GG今天把5700X3D那台掛網遊戲串流機升級S 223.137.92.95 08/29 19:03
→ gameguy: sd到1T，測了一下多核效能強了一點，晚上 223.137.92.95 08/29 19:03
→ gameguy: 玩一下GUILDWAR2，失落方舟，黑色沙漠看 223.137.92.95 08/29 19:03
→ gameguy: 看 223.137.92.95 08/29 19:03
→ raidcrash: https://shorturl.at/z7pJs 5800X3D平 111.243.83.185 08/29 19:21
→ raidcrash: 均+16.9% 根本遊戲界CPU的山羊 111.243.83.185 08/29 19:22
推 g8785: 沒想到我的5600u也有這福份223.137.113.104 08/30 00:09
→ protoss: 就比較通用的設計就比較能吃到其他層的優 118.233.5.75 08/30 00:41
→ protoss: 化紅利... 118.233.5.75 08/30 00:41
推 c222ssss: 所以現在會建議10升11了嗎？ 106.64.177.34 08/30 01:56